Afraid of The Medium Who Channels Einstein

SPEAKER_00 0:08

I am here with not only a great guest, but a very super patient guest. As uh there were two times scheduling, Barbara. And I I'll throw myself, you know, when I when I do wrong, and I really appreciate your time, your flexibility, and I'm looking forward to a great interview today. I am here with Barbara Wiff. So welcome to the show, Barbara.

SPEAKER_03 0:26

Oh, Bob, thanks for having me. And you know, I'm just happy I'm not the only one that does those things.

SPEAKER_00 0:31

So now I gotta tell you, I'm so much at peace with those candles already behind you. You know, I'm I'm kind of I'm feeling good and I'm feeling really nice. Um, would you mind starting off? You you have a great website, by the way. I love, I love the uh the font, you know, the red font. It's almost like a lipstick font on your website with your name. I think that's fantastic. But you beyond that, you've got a lot of great stuff and a lot of great services that you have, and we'll, you know, ask them certainly go there. I'll put in the show notes. But give our listeners a quick interview of who you are because you've been doing a lot of great work for a long time.

SPEAKER_03 1:03

Okay. Uh so by way of introduction, then, I'm gonna just kind of synopsize the context from which we are going to spring, and because I know there's a lot of questions that can come out of the blue here, and then I'd have to describe that over there. So let me just kind of give you an idea of who I am. I started out as a musician. I started teaching myself piano when I was five, writing music when I was 12, and I went out on the road when I was 17 in rock and roll, which was back in the early 70s when you could do those kinds of things. And well, talk about afraid of nothing, you know. So I went on.

SPEAKER_00 1:39

You were a singer, by the way? Well, you did you play?

SPEAKER_03 1:41

I'm a singer, a pianist, a producer. I I I've got a lot, a lot of music that's been produced. And my whole life, from the time I was five years old holding a hairbrush, singing heat wave, right in the basement. I've wanted to be a rock star. That was my goal. That was my that was what I was gonna manifest. And I did really, I mean, I worked my butt off. I've written hundreds and hundreds of songs, some are award-winning, and uh, and I focused on that. But what was happening on the sideline was in high school, I had a friend named Mike whose mom was a psychic. And I he just said, Hey, you gotta see what my mom does. It's like, what does your mom do? I wasn't looking for a psychic, but um, I ended up going to see his mother, who his name was Eunice McCoy, and she would light a candle, but she had a picture of Jesus, and she would close her eyes, and she said she went out and out her space and she didn't remember anything. But she would talk in this voice of we, and it was the most insightful, it was like they were living in my head, whoever these we were, and there was predictive stuff in it, but most of it was about because I was coming out of a very traumatic childhood and had a lot to deal with. And most of it was in retrospect about how to take care of myself. And whatever it was, it was really helped me to maintain and thrive and understand and survive some pretty tough stuff. So I saw her for about 10 years, maybe off and on. I go see her and have a reading, and a lot of what she said came true about my music. I was winning awards, I was regionally being recognized. What was your band?

SPEAKER_00 3:30

What was the name of your band?

SPEAKER_03 3:32

Oh, there were many, but I had the Barbara With band. Um I was based in Minneapolis, and you've probably never heard of me, but uh, we played everywhere around the five states, and I I've been just playing forever. And but any anyway, um in 1987 I had come in off the road because it was really tough, and uh I was writing a letter to a friend telling them how how bad it is that they're so judgmental, setting me right up for my own work, and uh suddenly my hands became independent of my thinking, and beautiful stuff that I was not thinking to say to her started flowing out of me. Yes, because when you judge things like a lens in the eye, you close down and all you see is a small part of the whole. So open up, we're waiting. So um, yeah, I knew what it was. I mean, I I'd been with Eunice for 10 years or so, I knew what it was, but I was still pretty shocked, and yet it felt vaguely like songwriting. Like I because when I used to describe writing a song, I say go into the nothing and I'd listen for the song's already written. I don't sit down and go, let's write a song about this. It's just here it comes, I'm gonna translate it. So it felt like that. But when I asked them, Well, who are you? Because wouldn't you? It's like, who are you? Eunice was just an antenna. That's how she described herself. She never talked to dead people or angels or Pleiadians or anything. It was just, I'm picking up your higher power. They said sound.

SPEAKER_00 5:12

So just to be clear, she just spoke to spirits, she didn't speak to any other type of entities or angels and spirits. Is that all she's no?

SPEAKER_03 5:20

She just described herself as an antenna that could pick up my higher power, whatever that was. Wow. You know, I mean, I'm 16 and she's telling me this. Like, what what what's my higher power? What is that? I don't know, but I'm not afraid of anything, apparently. So I just uh moved right in with this, and and the and this is the theme that's gonna come up in the whole story is that ultimately we have to judge these things by the fruits. So that that voice from Eunice was helping me be a fuller person, somebody a little more stable than I than I wasn't at that time, and really helping me survive was what mattered to me. So when they said we are sound, I thought, okay, I've been working with sound since I was old enough to remember. I'm okay with that. I know what that is, and sure, let's go with that. So that's how I became a psychic. And I started doing readings. I did two readings for two of my good friends and said, you know, I don't know if it's if it helps, pass my name on, and like $25, I'll charge for a reading. And people would come over and sit and I'd write, and eventually I began speaking like Eunice did. And along about 1993, because this was so fascinating, and if this was before the internet, and people people would come and go, and they never really talked much to me about it. It wasn't like I was counseling them on what the readings were saying. They would take their tape and off they go. But I wanted to know what would these voices of we say to a group of people? You know, Edgar Casey used to channel for groups and his and Jane Roberts had small groups, and nobody in my clientele seemed very interested. And then Teresa came for as a referral, and she sent six of her girlfriends, and then in the fall, her best friend Kim came. And when Kim came, now you have to remember Kim was a very conservative businesswoman, Republican, pearls matched her shoes, would never have gone to a psychic except for crisis, which is you know what drives us to do things oftentimes that we don't normally do. And when she came, the energy just got super elevated, and I noted it, but I didn't think much of it until she called me and said, Well, I've transcribed my reading, and I want to know what this means. And what does this mean? And I was like, What? And then they started following me, Kim and Teresa, to my gigs, because I was playing at this hotel in Minneapolis at the time, and we blah blah blah blah blah. And long story short, here's my group. And they wanted me to come and be with them and their group, so we started what we call the psychic sorority. And we started organizing groups in our living rooms, try taping them on a little cassette tape player and transcribing them to see what these voices would say. I mean, that's kind of how I am with these things. What are they gonna say?

SPEAKER_00 8:42

Well no, were you like was it Eunice what was the woman that you uh was Eunice McCoy? Was it like Eunice McCoy where you were just an antenna too? Or or did you summon? Well, you're a channeler, so you do you can channel people. We'll get into that in a minute.

SPEAKER_03 8:54

But yeah, at the time, but at the time, yeah, no, I couldn't channel, I didn't think I was channeling anybody. I thought I was an antenna.

SPEAKER_01 9:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:02

And the sound, that's what I'm channeling. I'm channeling some sound that's talking to me. But again, kind of because the fruits were so unbelievable and inspiring and remarkable, I didn't really care.

SPEAKER_00 9:19

Do they call that Claire Audio or Claire Audience?

SPEAKER_03 9:21

Or you know, or what's the you know, there's a whole bunch of different I call them intuitive arts.

SPEAKER_00 9:27

Okay, yeah. Because if it's mostly just sound, it used to be Claire Audience or something like that, I thought. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_03 9:32

And that's kind of how it started in that in that vein. But when Kim and Teresa and one of our first triad readings asked, Well, who are you? They said, You can call us angels. And that and that that was the next skeptical me going, What? What do you mean? What do you what does that mean, angels? What are you talking about? And so the three of us talked, and long story short, we decided that since what they were telling us was so profound and was changing our lives so much for the better, we didn't care if it was the Easter bunny. Because what these angels told us, and thank God there were three of us, because if I was just alone in this, you would think I was crazy, but we have witnesses. So they said we have this theory about if humans resolve their conflicts first within this process with themselves that we want to teach you, our theory is that the byproduct will be world peace. And we need some humans who have real conflicts to test our theory on. And so apparently we volunteered and were chosen, air quotes, to be these people who would come together and take this dictation and then apply it to our actual conflicts.

SPEAKER_00 10:53

Wow. No, so it's kind of like world peace, one awakened individual at a time, because it's kind of like and then interesting. Okay, wow, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:01

Yeah, well, and and you'll get into when the question about how did I know it was Einstein, we'll get into how that fits into this concept. But so our we did this work, we had our first fight, and we were sitting at my dining room table, and I was like pointing at her, and she was pointing at me, and we were, you know, it was like, well, and I said, Hold up, let's get the transcript and see, you know, they just gave us this beautiful thing, and I got it, and then the line that I picked out said, if you are involved in a conflict, the root of your part is within you. And that was revolutionary to me as somebody who had grown up in the victim perpetrator cycle, you know, no, it's you, it's you, and then I think that's how we all are raised. It's the basis of war. Well, no, it's you, it's you, it's you. What did that mean to look inside and find that?

SPEAKER_00 11:59

And so so rather than saying it's my mother or a father problem or whatever, it's looking at you at your core and seeing, you know, how you let that impact you and how you need to move forward. So that's the revolution versus the resolution, I guess. So I'm just trying to.

SPEAKER_03 12:14

Yeah, the resolution is about sitting down with people, making sure you're saying things compassionately and you're listening. This is all this was a whole process just for an individual to do, to take responsibility for first and foremost their own piece of whatever that piece of whatever that conflict is.

SPEAKER_00 12:36

That's kind of how long does that take? It can't be done in one session, I don't think, right? It would be uh I mean, a guy like me, I'm probably a you know, a hot mess, you know, or something, you know.

SPEAKER_03 12:46

Yeah, most people really are once you're once you learn about it. All the things that we're projecting on other people, all the things we are emotionally charged, and we're so sure that that person is doing this to me, you know, that's where the revolution where we take our focus off of him or her, we bring with us the the the projection though. Well, they just don't respect my time. You know, all right, let's pull this back and revolve back and start looking at ourselves to see where we're not respecting our time, your time, whatever. It's a whole revolutionary way of dealing with it that I'm guaranteeing you most of the world doesn't want to do.

SPEAKER_00 13:28

Interesting. And I you have on your website you have a section on that. They're like three realms. One is uh Einstein, one is uh conflict revolution. So you have a whole program about that, right? Where there's a workbook that they can they can do to monitor themselves and do ongoing introspection and and resolving their issues. Is that accurate?

SPEAKER_03 13:47

Yes, and conflict revolution was born from that story of the psychic sorority because after we started to work with it in our real-time conflicts and work together to go, and it was quite a feat. And you know, the 33 years later we look back and think, what what were we thinking? How did we keep motivated? But we put it together and we started to have these miraculous sort of outcomes. Like um, when you when they say world peace, one person that world peace is gonna be a byproduct. So for me, after the first fight that we had, and we resolved it in this revolutionary way, and we just were mind-blown how beautiful the process was from where it had been going. And that night I went to work, I was playing at a bar in Minneapolis, and there was a waitress there who just didn't ever care for me, which is just fine. I don't care. But I walked in that night and she was my best friend. Oh, she couldn't get enough of me. Barbara, do you like Patty Smith? I've got some cassettes I could give you. Put $20 in my tip jar. And again, I was like, what's going on here? And then this is the empirical experience of going, oh my God, this is what they're talking about. It this isn't world peace, but it's a natural, you know, Einstein said you cannot address the issues at the level they're being created. You have to address them at the root. And when you do it, apparently these angels said, here, things will change outside you naturally. It'll be a byproduct of it. You won't go at I couldn't go at that waitress and say, hey, how come you don't like me?

SPEAKER_00 15:26

You know, and can I throw in an observation here? Yeah, Barbara, if you don't mind. So yeah, so when I was at your website, there were like three tranches or whatever, like three levels. There was the uh psychic sisters, which kind of was like the evolution, I guess, of your capabilities. And then there was the conflict revolution, which is kind of like the cause, right? The cause that came out of it, which was, you know, peace movement, but starting with you and then growing it. And then came the Einstein, the Einstein factor, because I I I believe he died with a lot of guilt, you know, about being involved, you know, with the uh atomic bomb. He was a uh he was a uh probably a pacifist and a and a peace, you know, movement guy. And it's just still bothering him in the afterlife. And I that's probably where you're going, but I guess I'm trying to stitch together what we've been talking about. I think that's kind of the evolution of you and who you are today and the services that you provide.

SPEAKER_03 16:17

Yeah, and that's exactly right, because you couldn't have shown me Einstein when I was first doing automatic writing and I asked, Who are you? Who are you? Oh, well, it's Einstein. Whoa, really?

SPEAKER_00 16:32

Barbara with the Einstein party would have been a great name for a rock band, you know.

SPEAKER_03 16:35

But uh as it was, the Barbara With band often had people thinking I was a stripper who traveled traveled with my own band.

SPEAKER_00 16:47

So let's not go there. A lot of refunds, yeah. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:51

So so anyway, yes, that and that's where conflict revolution came. And I started training that in St. Paul. I was at a nonprofit and I started working it as staff development, and then I got into training uh conflict revolution. And so the psychic sorority, we published our first book, Diaries of a Psychic Sorority, in 1997.

SPEAKER_00 17:16

And an award-winning book, I should say, right?

SPEAKER_03 17:18

Yes, we did win an award. We did. And um we had a literary agent who we were also shopping at to uh bigger publishing companies. We published it ourselves. And in uh in 1998, she got a call from a tabloid in London, okay, like a metaphysical tabloid, everything UFOs and Jesus on toast and all that stuff. And they wanted an interview with Princess Die on the one-year anniversary of her death from beyond the grave. And could I do that? So here's another moment in my life where I was like, wait a minute. Okay, so I'd learned that I could speak to people who'd passed on because they were coming to to reveal themselves to me. Like that people would show themselves to me and say, Can you help my whatever, my daughter, or whatever? And I'd say, Well, get me in front of her. So I knew I could do that, but it they came to me. I didn't go looking, I wouldn't go to you and say, Hey, I can talk to your grandpa. Grandpa would have to come to me. So I thought, well, again, because I'm afraid of nothing, I said, let's just see what happens.

SPEAKER_00 18:27

And I kind of love you saying afraid of nothing. It's an Afraid of nothing podcast. And this is a perfect segue, right? We can awesome. I love it.

SPEAKER_03 18:34

I want to stress that this is an important topic of being a friend of nothing. Anyway, I so I I channeled it, typing, and I read it afterwards and just wept. It was so beautiful. And her whole message, aside from all the details about the stuff, was if everybody who put flowers in front of the palace did conflict revolution, we'd have world peace in a day. So Princess I was also a big peace activist, as we all knew. And the tabloid flew me out to New York and spent five hours with me and didn't want the interview because it didn't have anything dirty about Camilla and Charles in it. But my agent, always thinking, said, Hey, maybe there's more famous dead people who want to talk. And I thought, okay, let's see what that means. And so we made this long list, and I'd imagine I would go to them, like in my head, okay, Mother Teresa, no, she's tired. Gandhi said it all, all this. And so the second person up on our list was Nicole Brown Simpson.

SPEAKER_00 19:33

Ah, wow, okay.

SPEAKER_03 19:35

And that was mind-blowing to me.

SPEAKER_00 19:37

Murdered women. I mean, what's the thing? You know, they gotta, you know, you gotta get off of that. That's not too negative, right?

SPEAKER_03 19:41

I think the whole party might have been murdered in some way. Wow. Um, so anyway, we got to John F. Kennedy. There's another one. And he basically said, first of all, this isn't your idea. We are 12 people who have gathered here in afterlife to help you with this world peace mission that you're on. So that's where the party of 12 came. They told us we are a party of twelve. And and then he said, So put your list away because Einstein wasn't even on it.

SPEAKER_00 20:17

Wasn't, no. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 20:18

Well, you know, and so when Einstein came up and I channeled it by speaking, it was the voice of all of my readings.

SPEAKER_00 20:30

Did you do their personalities come out? How do you they they say who they are, but can you like, oh god, yeah, that's uh, you know, that's Camelot.

SPEAKER_03 20:37

That's uh JFK or that's oh you hear you hear their voice in your head when you're reading. You can hear his voice, and he's you know, are there any?

SPEAKER_00 20:47

That guy wasn't very cool in in in in the modern life. He's okay now, but there are are they all Hitler? Yeah, or or whomever, you know, is it button? No, Hitler. Hitler's in the party of twelve? Yes. Oh my god, can you rattle off the party of twelve?

SPEAKER_03 21:01

Or do you Princess Die?

SPEAKER_00 21:05

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 21:05

Gianni Versace, another murder, Nicole Brown Simpson, Einstein, Freud, Hitler, Jackie Onassis, Ryan White. Do you remember Ryan White? He was the kid, the teen the preteen teen who got AIDS during a blood transfusion back in the 80s and ended up dying of AIDS, but he's greatly persecuted for that. Uh Anwar Sadat.

unknown 21:34

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 21:34

Also another murdered, right? Jesus. Uh who are the two I'm missing? Norma Jean Baker. And oh gosh, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 21:46

That's okay. You're a mess.

SPEAKER_03 21:47

I'm impressed with a lot of not to you.

SPEAKER_00 21:50

Okay, yeah. Somebody'll come through. When I do the audio, something, a name will come through. That's happened before, by the way. When I do the audio, there sometimes I get E VPs that come through on on the Never on my end, but on the speaker's end. Not often, but like one out of every ten or twelve episodes will have a fun. Yeah. So we'll see. That name might pop up.

SPEAKER_03 22:08

So anyway, that's how I met Einstein.

SPEAKER_00 22:11

God, that sounds like a didn't sound like a party. It sounds like a, you know, like a Thanksgiving meal with a lot of people arguing over stuff.

SPEAKER_03 22:18

You know, it just kinda, but they each had they each delivered their dissertation and they each had a slice of culture. Like obviously, John Kennedy had politics and blah, blah, blah. And and Norma Jean Baker had, you know, femininity and the power of women. And Nicole Brown Simpson had uh race relations and domestic abuse. So they all had a piece of this culture. And uh it was uh fascinating. And I'm I'm just along for a ride, like okay, I'll be the steno, I'll do this. So it took me a month to do all 12 interviews, and uh it just blew my mind.

SPEAKER_00 22:59

And that's is that a book? That's a book that you did?

SPEAKER_03 23:02

Party of 12, the afterlife interviews.

SPEAKER_00 23:03

Interesting. Now, was that you with the um psychic sorority, or just you that talks at the party of 12? Or is it all no?

SPEAKER_03 23:10

I was just I went off to the party of 12 and the psychic sorority. We we stayed together, but we stopped doing groups and working so closely together because frankly, the two girls, the two women, were like, we didn't sign up to channel Hitler.

SPEAKER_01 23:27

Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:28

And I didn't blame him. I didn't either, but I was not afraid. I wanted to see what he was gonna say, and it was really, really profound and to the day, and time only makes it better now that everybody's Hitler, right? You're Hitler, you're Hitler.

SPEAKER_00 23:43

It's like you know what it would have been interesting if one of the party of twelve was one of the people that crucified Jesus, since Jesus is in the room. You know, that's one of the original sins. That would have been interesting, but uh anyway.

SPEAKER_03 23:52

Well, that's a longer conversation.

SPEAKER_00 23:54

Yeah, yeah. That's amazing. So Einstein kind of came to a door that said jury room or something, right? And then uh and then he he joined the group, joined the band, and he became your lead spokesperson for this group, or what kind of happened?

SPEAKER_03 24:11

Kind of, I think what happened was there was always this plan that was going to elevate him out of the group. And the group was the first introduction, and of course, I think it's an absolutely fascinating book, especially as time passes. But I I was so enamored with the fact that Einstein had been the voice of all my readings from the very beginning. What does this mean? So 2005 rolled around, and I thought, hey, let's do a little book with Einstein. It's a hundred-year anniversary of equals MC Squared. Let's see what he has to say. I'm all sorts of, you know, yeah. And so I channeled several groups and transcribed them and sat down one winter to edit. And I imagined he was sitting right here with me editing. And so it's 2005, there is the internet, and I would imagine him saying, Hey, Google black holes. So I did, okay, take these three terms from this and put it over here in our map. And so, like birds building a nest, he delivered what he didn't do in real life, which was a unified field theory, and it was complete with a map of human consciousness, as we called it, and it could it defined compassion in scientific quantifiable as a scientific quantifiable force.

SPEAKER_00 25:33

It's a measurable force, compatible a fifth force of the universe.

SPEAKER_03 25:36

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 25:37

Oh, evil must evil must be the negative stuff, and compassion is the positive stuff. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 25:41

We've you know Well, it's a little different because he's he's taken terms that we have different name different meanings for, and he's pulled them into a revolutionary definition that is we use it every single time we're we're dealing with any of this. Doesn't mean that there's uh not other definitions, but compassion is the creative intelligence that uses the other four fundamental forces to impel the creation of this physical world one step at a time.

SPEAKER_00 26:10

So, what are the other forces? Is it earth, wind, fire, or no, no, no?

SPEAKER_03 26:13

It's electromagnetics, okay, which is like charging things, gravity, which is like guiding things, the strong nuclear force, which is the attracting and the repelling, okay, and the weak nuclear force, which is the transformation when something turns from one to two to green to blue. So that's what he defined compassion as. Now I'm not I only wanted to be a rock star. Okay, so I don't know about science and math, but I was going along with this, and then the big thing that really threw me was he said, and the source of everything is the center of the earth and it operates like a black hole. And at the time, I literally said to my imagined eye design, Are you kidding me? I have to get out in front of scientists who know stuff and tell them that the earth is the center of the source and it operates like a black hole. Is that even possible?

SPEAKER_00 27:14

Yeah. But especially after disclosure day just came out, that movie, you know.

unknown 27:19

Right. Right.

SPEAKER_03 27:21

So anyway, but I went with it because um so far, so good, you know, after all these years of going, what? What's this? And okay, we'll go. And that's that was the book Imagining Einstein Essays on M Theory World Peace and the Science of Compassion.

SPEAKER_00 27:37

Have you ever had academics or you know, brilliant minds say, Look, I'm not going to support you in public, but you know, on the side here, you're onto something. A lot of times they won't put their reputation out on the table, right?

SPEAKER_03 27:47

They have to my father, who I was very estranged with, although I found a deep peace before he died, and but I didn't have him in my life. He was a pretty abusive fellow that didn't take responsibility for any of it. And uh right before he died, he called me and I picked up, I don't know even why. And that was the first thing he said. He said, I don't really fully understand this, but I think you're on to something. But in answer to your question, what I tell people, anybody, I don't care who, if it's the scientists or not, it's like I don't know. This is what I've just told you is the truth of the story. Is it Einstein? I think it is, but I don't know. But you tell me. You tell me what it is. Is it me being this sort of weird kind of maybe autistic ability to make people come to me like the psychic sorority? And I mean, there's so many p players in this story. But I had this is and this, Bob, is the the reason why they couldn't just back when I was automatic writing say, Oh, yeah, it's Einstein. I've come to deliver to the unified field. Because I personally, Barbara Wyth, would have lost my mind. That's just crazy making. It's been crazy making.

SPEAKER_00 29:06

So tell me about Einstein, if you can, in the afterlife. Isn't you supposed to mind at supposed to be at rest then? But it sounds like he's still kind of thinking and trying to solve things, right?

SPEAKER_03 29:15

Is that accurate or I don't think that being at rest is the automatic state of afterlife.

SPEAKER_01 29:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 29:23

I think there's some people who need to rest and will rest. I think there's probably times where you everybody needs to rest after you die. Uh his explanation, though, in Imagining Einstein was what when he died, and now, of course, all of his theories support this, is that he sped up from the speed of light, his energy and frequency sped up from the speed of light to the speed of light squared. So it was like whoosh! And he just went right to work. He he explored everything. And who else but Einstein would do that? Go into afterlife, figure it all out, find a way to round up three women, get them to do the bidding, and then deliver this unified field theory based on not just the channeling, but the work that we that we, as the three of us, that research, that aside from the channeling, what he's saying is what we did with that.

SPEAKER_00 30:19

What happens to the big egos, you know? I I won't get political, and I know everybody's going to think, but what happens to the big egos when they die, you know, like a big ego might have been Hitler or or whomever? Do they become humble or are they still like Einstein still has this curiosity, this insatiable curiosity that must drive Jesus up a wall? All right, I answer these questions. You know, but does there are they humbled when they move on? The Big 12, are they kind of bigger than life still, or are they kind of a little humbled in the afterlife?

SPEAKER_03 30:51

Uh, I think uh there's a little bit of everything. So, for example, um the people Hitler basically said, you know, he's in his own hell. He's dealing with his the compilation of his whole life, and every every decision he made sits with him and he's working through that. Uh I think maybe conflict revolution.

SPEAKER_00 31:18

He yeah, that's a guy that needs conflict revolution, if anything.

SPEAKER_03 31:21

Yeah, yeah. Well, he was part of the inception of it, which I think was when he died and you know, got to afterlife and saw that. Oh, oh. But also, now though, think of this too, is that he didn't just he wasn't just accidentally evil. He had a covenant. He had a covenant like we all do, and when we leave afterlife and we're going in to manifest a physical life, we're bringing with us sort of a commitment, a promise for something for our why are we going to what are we gonna learn in this life? Yeah, okay. You're gonna help me, Dad. You're gonna help me be like a visionary. Well, you're gonna do it by sexually abusing me. Well, honestly, yeah, that produced the dissociation.

SPEAKER_00 32:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:10

So there it's so complicated. I don't think there's easy answers to everything like that.

SPEAKER_00 32:14

Yeah, I mean, I mean, sure, you had that before, like Hitler was made an agreement before he became a human to go to earth and create all this kind of disruption and and and pain. Um, it's it's tough. It's tough to, you know. I mean, who does he say hi to when he's walking down the hall?

SPEAKER_03 32:30

You know, hi, oh God, I you know, it's in Jesus, you know, and and go going back to Einstein and the jury room, right? This was the introduction was that when after he died, he found himself in front of this jury room and he walked in at the end of the table was Jesus administering to Hitler while Freud was observing and taking notes. That was his first introduction to the party. And he joined and just observed how everything that Hitler said, Jesus came back with, you know, the peace that passes all understanding. So what a fascinating, fascinating turn of events if if if it's true. And I mean, I say that because I it's not like I sat down and said, hey, I should make up a story about these 12 people.

SPEAKER_00 33:19

No, what is the purpose of the jury room in in the and is it heaven? Is it the afterlife? Is it like quadrant three out of five or whatever, you know, that they're at, or where what where are they?

SPEAKER_03 33:29

I I think it's when you see the unified field theory, when you see the map of human consciousness, then I can show you exactly where it is and how it operates and how each uh lens, because there's you know, within a uh black hole, there's a lens, a source, and an observer in how the black hole operates. So we have these three parts, and the the source is in the center, the lens is this physical world where we're having our bodies are manifesting, we're having this, and the observer is out in space and they're connected and they're part of this operating system. So I can show you then how in another life, you know, it's another lens over here with a different space-time body, but it's all originating in the same source. You're, you know, we call it a compilation of consciousness, which we are root, that's the root of who we are. So each life has its own compilation with all the math of who you're gonna be, your DNA space-time body, all the people who are gonna be participating with you. So it's a it's a beautiful system that has taken years and years and years, as you can see by this rambling story, to get to where to where. And now let me just say this that last summer, after all this, I also published a book in 2016 called Einstein et al.

SPEAKER_00 34:52

Yeah, I saw that.

SPEAKER_03 34:53

And it's just it's the complete, it's like this is the last one I'm doing. It's the complete explanation of the unified field theory and conflict revolution and why the unified field theory is the theory that he thinks proves why conflict revolution works. Why, when you fe you bring this piece here, the projection becomes something greater than you could go at, you know, in the arena of it where it is.

SPEAKER_00 35:22

Did Einstein did Einstein did he try to solve consciousness, or was that something he didn't really deal with until in the afterlife?

SPEAKER_03 35:30

I think he didn't. I think he was kind of put off by quantum physics in his the it through his life, and he like, oh, God doesn't play dice with the universe or whatever his whole thing was. He didn't he didn't actually go there, but he said often to us that he he wishes he would have, but he could never have gotten it like he did until he got to afterlife and saw it from the other way, how creation, how this is all, and then articulate it.

SPEAKER_00 35:56

So yeah. Now the jury room, how do they feel about the mess we're in now? I mean, are they uh how do you feel, I guess? You and the um psychic uh sorority, where we're at now in 2026. And I I hope I'm not you know jumping ahead of something you want to bring it back in if it's fine.

SPEAKER_03 36:13

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:14

I sent you questions and I haven't asked one of them, so I totally threw you off. Uh uh so yeah, so what it where we are now in 2026, what do you what are you getting with that? Because I know part of your, you know, the peace movement, I think a lot of people want to are looking for peace right now. So give give me kind of a filter of of what you're picking up for where we're at right now and what the jury, you know, the jury of 12 thinks about that.

SPEAKER_03 36:37

Well, I think you have to sort of like when you're talking about Hitler, you have to have to these two conversation topics. One is what he's doing in afterlife, and the other is what did he really do in real life. So I think in 2026, there's two things we can look at. We can look at how crazy everything has become, and we can look at the progress that has been made, at least in my lifetime, since this 40 years, decades of doing this work, because when I look at the physical world and just judge if I judge the whole by the physical world, it's it looks pretty dismal. But when I look at how humanity has evolved, and not everybody, but enough people over all of these years of us raising our consciousness and seeking for higher causes and and even in I think religions that foster compassion. And that's what I look at, and that's what I think the party looks at, is that they feel like the work that we started doing together has been incredibly full of fruit fruition that oh people over and over, I've probably done 200 podcasts in the past couple years talking just to so many people like you and a lot of young women who are people get it. People 30 years ago, if I said, well, you know, you have a physical ailment and at the root of it is some emotional thing, you'd get laughed out of the doctor's office. But now it's just exploded. But it looks like if all we're gonna look at is governments and politics, which is very earthbound, then that's what we're gonna see and that's what's happening. But like my own life, when I first started this and I had to become aware that, oh wait, this is in me, it was a it was a struggle and it didn't look very pretty a lot of the time as I was working through how not to manifest all of this. And I think getting back to people want peace, do people are people willing, because I'm looking for the participation of the willing to to be the experimenter like we were in this theory, to at least do the process to see what the outcome is. Because once you do it, once you do conflict revolution fully and truly, and you get your aha moment where you see yourself being the one who's being disrespectful, and that you have an actual pathway of how to change that, and you do it, the miracles that take place, the the things that start to manifest, the synchronicity is what hooks you, and you begin to see there isn't gonna be any other way. There's no other way to have world peace than this way. It's not. We've we've exhausted everything.

SPEAKER_00 39:39

So it yeah, so you I I'm guessing you're a believer of good and evil, right, on earth. I you believe and do you believe evil? I have people on my podcast, I haven't I've I've done like 140 so far. I've been but you know, I do it I've slowed down, you know, as I get older. But um some people think that evil is only in man and that there are no demons or devils or whatever, but it's us fighting each other. And you know, it's our good and it's our good and bad side. What's your thought on evil, you know, um, and is it totally inhumanity, you know, based on our our free will, or is there something that drives us toward evil?

SPEAKER_03 40:15

I think there is real live manifestations of demonic energy. I think there always has been and there always will be, because I think, since I'm the root of my life, that I am projecting and perceiving the entire universe, and however it's showing, why does it show up? Why do demons show up to some people and demons never show up to other people? Because it's really rooted in your own experience, perception, maybe karma, maybe destiny to do that. But let me just say Einstein has redefined evil is making decisions for the good of the few at the expense of the many.

SPEAKER_00 41:00

I hope he told Hitler that. Was Hitler in the room when he said that? I hope so. It's uh yeah, well, part of formulating the definition, I think. Yeah. And make sure Hitler doesn't come back, all right? There's some people that we want to come back with re-incarnate. Hitler can stay there and kind of stew in his own juices for a while. Um, I don't think he's coming back. I guess I'm I'm half joking there, but I'm not half joking.

SPEAKER_03 41:19

I don't think he's coming back anymore.

SPEAKER_00 41:21

Um angels, can you tell me about angels? Wendy, you because uh what are angels? And do you deal with angels, guardian angels, or just angels overall who have different tasks? What are angels?

SPEAKER_03 41:32

Uh you know, after all of these years of angels, I think there's different meanings. I think there is an energy, a frequency that manifests as angelic, the highest good, the highest frequency that there is, the God frequency manifest in terms of messengers and information. Angels come to give us information and messengers. I also think that there's um there's probably some kind of angelic energy that I don't want to say inhabits or infests or inspires like that high frequency, whether you actually see the angel or you feel the presence. And I do think that we come into this life in this physical world with a guardian angel, whether we know it or not, whether we ever hear from them or not, or make contact.

SPEAKER_00 42:31

Have you heard from yours, Barbara? Have you heard from your guardian angel?

SPEAKER_03 42:35

It's a big party. I just have. I know I've been watched over. I I have been watched over my whole entire life in a super metaphysical way.

SPEAKER_00 42:45

Were you religious when because you had a rough childhood, you probably thought, ah, there's no God, there's no look at the crap I gotta deal with. Did you were you religious at all? And are you now religious or spiritual? What would you say you are where you are now in your life?

SPEAKER_03 42:59

I started out by going to church to escape my family. And my mother was the choir director and the secretary, and so she got me into singing in the church, and that's what drew me to the church was the singing. But when I was 13, she and I were walking up the stairs of the church, and the guy, the gardener was walking downstairs, and she said, Well, Joe, what are you doing with that shamble? And he said, I'm going to barrier N-word.

SPEAKER_00 43:24

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 43:25

And I left the church at that time, and I became a wandering, whatever. But when the psychic stuff started coming up, and working with Eunice and learning about that felt very religious to me. And then I was, you know, like I said, Edgar Casey, Jane Roberts. Um, I I was all after life experiences. I wasn't so in interested in UFOs as much as what happens when you die. So when I channeled Jesus for Party of Twelve, I became more interested in. The Bible. And Kim, one of the psychic sorority sisters, knows the Bible better than anybody. I will challenge anybody. And her thing, she's not Christian either, but nobody owns Jesus. So I think I'm this kind of hybrid of I have this really core belief that the real religion is compassion.

SPEAKER_00 44:22

Barbara, before I hit you with a couple quick questions at the end, I have a podcast called Afraid of Nothing. You've said Afraid of Nothing a couple different times. The reason I call this podcast Afraid of Nothing was I had a mother who was um we all become when your mother dies and leaves the world, it's kind of like the world gets smaller. It affects a lot of people and affected me. And I felt, you know, I had to get a, you know, I had to get a better understanding and talk to people who understood things better than me. Because when my mother passed, it was kind of cold and clinical. She had Alzheimer's. There wasn't any kind of seeing spirits coming or anything. It was like a seven-day visual of her struggling with every breath. So I kind of struggle with that. And so my afraid of nothing was half the world thinks there's nothing to be afraid of, the other half, because there is a heaven, and the other half thinks that there's nothing to be, there is nothing, so you should be afraid because there'll be absolutely, you know, you'll you'll fade to black. And so I started talking to psychics and people and a wide range of people to get a viewpoint that I didn't have because I had kind of tunnel vision. That's my afraid of nothing. You have a different afraid of nothing. It's a fearless, it's a meant, it's a it's a managing fear, I think. So let's talk about that. Well, you what you think about afraid of nothing from from your perspective.

SPEAKER_03 45:30

Well, I think the uh afraid of nothing in terms of the work that I do, which is what I wanted to interject, is that what we define afraid, fear, is as a two-part thing. One is fear, which is an emotion. It doesn't have a definition of why you feel it or where it came from. It's just there. The other are fearful thoughts. So I think what happens for me is when I feel afraid, just feel it, like you're afraid. Sometimes you're afraid to do good things, right? You're I'm afraid of a big speech I'm gonna give or whatever. Is that I embrace the feeling with my breath, like and I I think I've always done this because I've always done things that people are like, you're so courageous. I don't know, I'm not afraid of it, but I feel it, but I don't let the thought stop me from doing something. Like, okay, I was a little afraid when they said they were angels, but that wasn't gonna stop me from moving forward. It was about processing that that feeling. And I think if there was something that I want to leave people with from all of this talk, because we've covered a lot of ground that um is is back to conflict revolution, is that feelings are one thing and how we process it, how we relate to it, like for example, your fear of letting go of your mother or the sadness of the morning. We train people to process that differently. So it's with the breath work, it's with the body, it's not with the intellect and the thinking and the thinking. And then when your mind's going crazy, right? Your mind has all these fearful thoughts. That's a whole different skill set that we train people to do. So you've got these two kind of tracks that are sort of realigning the whole idea of well, being alive, having emotion, intuition, intellect, how to work with all that. And but I love it. I love the name. And I and and I think it's funny you said that about either you f you go to heaven or there's nothing and you should be afraid. I think if you're if you're if there really is where it's just like nothing, like we just go into a hole in the ground. My ex-husband would believe that too. We just go in the hole in the ground and then we're we're gone. Well, then there's really nothing to be afraid of either way, is there?

SPEAKER_00 48:05

Yeah, true. One question for you is so you were uh uh a singer, your own rock band. Have you channeled anyone in heaven that's died that's a rock, you know, like Elvis or someone like that that you really or Ozzy, Oz boy, have you channeled anyone and spoke to any of the rock legends since uh you've been doing this?

SPEAKER_03 48:23

Well, I've I have a whole uh experience with Elvis, although I haven't channeled him per se. But I did do an interview with Kurt Cobain. And uh that was really insightful as well. And uh but yeah, you know, it's it's like I said, they kind of come to me. I mean, except for the party where it was like, what? Princess Die? I don't know. But I don't go like looking for hey, let's go talk to so-and-so. Usually it's like, wait, is that Carl Jung who just showed up? What? Why wasn't he part of the original party of 12? What?

SPEAKER_00 49:03

Yeah, or a musician. Why isn't a musician in part of the original part, you know, party of 12? I don't think there is, right?

SPEAKER_03 49:08

Or yeah, well, they're probably all too busy.

SPEAKER_00 49:11

Partying.

SPEAKER_03 49:12

Partying.

SPEAKER_00 49:13

Yeah, right. You know they are, they're not questioning that deal with the small stuff. Yeah. So tell us about anything you've done a ton of podcasts recently, it shows on your website. What do you have coming up? What tell us your website? It's a really nice looking website, a lot of great stuff, well organized. And where can people buy your books and anything else you want to promote?

SPEAKER_03 49:34

Well, the website is Barbarawith.com. And the first thing is up in the right hand corner, I have the conflict revolution challenge. So if you are inspired to want to resolve your conflicts first within you, that's going to give you a free download of everything you need to do, including a 12-week journal where you can keep track of the miracles that you create. And all my books are on there, my music is on there. Um, my CD Innocent Future is downloadable. I've got meditation tapes, I've got some master classes in the unified field theory. And in Conflict Revolution, it'll take you over to Synergy Alliance, which is the publishing company that has been publishing and all kinds of things. And if you want to have a reading with me, you can use the code Einstein and get 40% off of the reading. And this year I am publishing the 25th anniversary of Party of 12 the Afterlife interviews. And there will be some other uh famous dead people who showed up over the past 25 years who now want to add their voice to the well, that's great.

SPEAKER_00 50:43

When you do it, come back and we'll talk about some of that. That'd be awesome. I think that's a fascinating uh read. Well, Barbara, thank you so much for your time today and your patience with me. And uh had a wonderful conversation with you. I'm so glad we met.

SPEAKER_03 50:55

Yes, you too, Bob. Thanks so much, and thanks to everybody.